Re: Forwarded mail....

Barbara J Tavares (btavares@hawaii.edu)
Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:16:19 -1000


LET ME APOLOGIZE IF MY RESPONSE MADE YOU ANGRY. IT WAS NOT MY INTENTION,
ALTHOUGH UPON REFLECTION, I AGREE THAT IT WAS NOT DIPLOMATIC.

THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS THAT ALL CAREERS ARE FOR WOMEN. I DO AGREE THAT
AN ARTICLE TITLE SUCH AS "CARRES FOR WOMEN" IS LIKELY TO GET GREATER
FEMALE READING ATTENTION THAN "PROFILES ON CAREERS." IT'S JUST THAT THE
EXAMPLES OF CAREERS FOR WOMEN IN THE ORIGINAL PROFNET INQUIRY DID NOT
INCLUDE HIGH PAYING OCCUPATIONS THAT WOMEN DO NOT NORMALLY THINK OF,
SUCH AS OPERATING ENGINEER, COMPUTER REPAIRER, OR DRAFTER. RATHER, THE
EXAMPLES LISTED ARE ALL OCCUPATIONS THAT I THINK OF AS BEING FILLED BY
MORE WOMEN THAN MEN.

I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER INCLUING SOME "NON-TRADITIONAL" OCCUPATIONS FOR
WOMEN IN YOUR ARTICLE. THESE INCLUDE ANY OCCUPATION THAT IS LESS THAN 25%
FEMALE. TRADITIONALLY "MALE" JOBS TEND TO PAY MUCH MORE THAN THOSE THAT
ARE TRADITIONALLY FEMALE, AND THEREFORE ARE DEFINATELY WORTH A SECOND
LOOK. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO FLESH OUT A LIST OF SOME POSSIBLE OCCUPATIONS
TO INCLUDE, AND ALSO HAVE REAL LIFE WOMEN THAT ARE POSSIBLE ROLE MODELS
THAT I THINK WOULD MAKE GOOD ROLE MODELS.

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Barbara Tavares
University of Hawaii
808/956-6194

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Gaea Honeycutt wrote:

> First off, I'm sorry to include practically the entire message, but I
> felt it important. I don't see why anyone should be upset with what
> Women's Wire is doing. The careers listed below reflect a variety of
> disciplines including technology, health care, art dealing and
> marketing. What is the problem here? Is everyone assuming that Women's
> Wire is suggesting these--and only these--careers for women. There is no
> indication that they are trying to genderize careers. It seems to me
> that they are looking to profile successful women in various disciplines
> beginning with what is suggested below. Now, suggesting careers that
> would help Women's Wire expand its coverage or a new title is
> appropriate; but attacking this writer and Women's Wire and becoming
> outraged because they have not chosen the exact same careers or wording
> you would is short-sighted and illogical.
>
> I myself would encourage Ms. Juilland to consider corporate law,
> publishing, journalism, engineering, and local politics as areas for
> future focus. Also, although a sex equity coordinator is not necessarily
> my first choice, someone who works in a field or combined fields of
> social equity would be at the top of my list. Finally, perhaps there
> would not be conflict if the title wasn't "Careers For Women." Would
> others be more satisfied if it was called "Profile on Careers" or some
> such thing?
>
> Whew. That was a tad long. I may not write much anymore, but when I do
> it's a doooooozy. Please forgive me.
>
> Gaea
>
> P.S. Human Resource Manager: Try Chris Connors at EDC (617-969-7100)
>
> Gaea Honeycutt
> gaeah@tiac.net
> "I recently had my problems on the run, but now they've re-grouped, and
> are making another attack."
>
> Barbara J Tavares wrote:
> >
> > See the bottom message in this correspondence.
> > This ProfNet query was forwarded to me--no doubt to raise my blood
> > pressure. Please, anyone who has some material on-line, in a fetch it
> > file, etc., that will tell the writer that careers don't come in genders,
> > please send it to Juilliand at her e-mail address. mjon@sirius.com. This
> > would be greatly appreciated. I hate to think anyone with influence, such
> > as a magazine, can still limit the occupational options of any
> > students, male or female.
> >
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:58:23 -1000
> > From: Donne Florence <donne@hawaii.edu>
> > To: Barbara J Tavares <btavares@hawaii.edu>
> >
> > BT--No need to respond to this ProfNet query, but I wanted to alert you to
> > the existence of this online magazine. On the other hand, if you can point
> > her to some good material that will introduce her to the concept of what a
> > Bad Concept "Careers for Women" is ...
> >
> > What if I write and tell her about another career she could explore in a
> > future column--sex equity coordinator?
> > DF
> >
> > **9. CAREERS FOR WOMEN - WOMEN'S WIRE. For a bi-monthly
> > feature I am looking to interview 2 younger (under 30)
> > women. Here are the careers that I will be covering in the
> > next few months: human resource manager (need leads by
> > Monday), promotions director, photographer, social worker,
> > health care technician, librarian, fashion designer, MIS
> > specialist, art dealer, computer animator. I am looking for
> > women in states other than California and New York.
> > Women's Wire is an online magazine with an audience of
> > about 3 million. (www.women.com)>>> Marie-Jeanne Juilland
> > E-mail: mjon@sirius.com. [T::7/21:2447]
>


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