Re: non-traditional males (NOT)

marie De Santis (
Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:06:57 PST

Tim Flinders writes that he looks to the day that teaching will release
boys from boy stereotypes so that " 'becoming a man' will no longer
requires that we set aside so much of our humanity".

Tim, becoming a man does not require you set aside your humanity. It
heaps reward and profit on boys for setting aside their humanity, a
reward and profit that boys and men can CHOOSE to give up any time they

Boys graduating from high school right away make more money than girls
graduating from college.. Boys can give up this money any time they
want. Girls, however, are not free to take this collosal money
difference from the boys.

Teenage boys do an average of three hours work around the home every
week. Their teenage sisters do an average of ten hours work around the
home every week. Boys are completely free to increase their hours of
work any time they want. Girls are not free to abdicate their chores.

It is outrageous to say that boys are REQUIRED to take more than their
share of the playground, hog the computors, rape girls, make more money
than girls, have later curfew, do hugely less hours of housework than
girls and use or condone violence to keep this grossly unequal system in
place. Boys (and men) are FREE to give up these activities any time they
want. But they don't want to because these activities give them so much
reward and profit and power.

Girls are not free to take back the playground and computors from boys
who bully, they can't stop the nearly million rapes of girls every
year, nor are they free to take their share of the money back, nor to
stop the exploitation of their labor in the home, nor extend their
curfew to equal the boys, nor stop the violence of boys.

Flinders is also frustrated because there isn't much in the research on
the raising of boys!!!!!!!

Does Flinders choose to ignore the entire cannon of human history, of
psychology, of pedagogy? All of which is based on the study of boys. And
now in the smallest sliver of recent time we have a few dozen books on
girls and Flinders and so many other "non traditional males"
take their outsized share of free time in the world and their hugely
outsized share of media access and they cry victim.


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