-Rob Sernekos <sernekos@nh.ultranet.com>
At 06:17 PM 3/24/98 +0000, you wrote:
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>marie De Santis wrote:
>> Tim Flinders writes that he looks to the day that teaching will release
>> boys from boy stereotypes so that " 'becoming a man' will no longer
>> requires that we set aside so much of our humanity".
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>Thank you Tim.
>
>> Tim, becoming a man does not require you set aside your humanity. It
>> heaps reward and profit on boys for setting aside their humanity, a
>> reward and profit that boys and men can CHOOSE to give up any time they
>> want.
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>Perhaps you can clarify these rewards heaped on men. The higher
incarceration
>rate? The much higher suicide rate? Some of us would not call these
rewards.
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>> Boys graduating from high school right away make more money than girls
>> graduating from college.. Boys can give up this money any time they
>> want. Girls, however, are not free to take this collosal money
>> difference from the boys.
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>I've posted refutation of this before, including NCES sources on earnings:
>http://www.edc.org/hypermail/edequity/1253.html
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>In the remainder, Marie De Santis writes of a number of other issues as
well.
>I maintain that boys are not the evil monsters she would have us believe
and I
>would join with Tim in calling for more efforts to lower the number of boys
>who drop out of school. I would that we not put so many more boys on
behavior
>modification drugs. I would that we endeavor to lower boys suicide rate. I
>would that we raise rates of boys going to college.
>
>The mean spirited characterizations below do nothing constructive for the
>problems of boys. In them, however, she has identified some issues which in
>the interest of gender equity we should seek to correct. In particular, if
>boys are doing less homework we ought to seek ways to correct this. We ought
>to attempt to bring the boy's reading levels up to that of the girls.
>
>-Ted
><weverka@optivision.com>
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>> Teenage boys do an average of three hours work around the home every
>> week. Their teenage sisters do an average of ten hours work around the
>> home every week. Boys are completely free to increase their hours of
>> work any time they want. Girls are not free to abdicate their chores.
>>
>> It is outrageous to say that boys are REQUIRED to take more than their
>> share of the playground, hog the computors, rape girls, make more money
>> than girls, have later curfew, do hugely less hours of housework than
>> girls and use or condone violence to keep this grossly unequal system in
>> place. Boys (and men) are FREE to give up these activities any time they
>> want. But they don't want to because these activities give them so much
>> reward and profit and power.
>>
>> Girls are not free to take back the playground and computors from boys
>> who bully, they can't stop the nearly million rapes of girls every
>> year, nor are they free to take their share of the money back, nor to
>> stop the exploitation of their labor in the home, nor extend their
>> curfew to equal the boys, nor stop the violence of boys.
>>
>> Flinders is also frustrated because there isn't much in the research on
>> the raising of boys!!!!!!!
>>
>> Does Flinders choose to ignore the entire cannon of human history, of
>> psychology, of pedagogy? All of which is based on the study of boys. And
>> now in the smallest sliver of recent time we have a few dozen books on
>> girls and Flinders and so many other "non traditional males"
>> take their outsized share of free time in the world and their hugely
>> outsized share of media access and they cry victim.
>>
>> INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Marie
>> "marie De Santis" <rdvjustice@hotmail.com>
>> >
>>
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