Re[3]: male terrorism against females

Marty Henry (
Mon, 30 Mar 98 10:34:22 -0700

I agree fully with you. However, we cannot assume that they *did*
unless we find that specifically. We can sometimes fall into the trap
of assuming that things are as we perceive and there may be other
circumstances we are not considering. I had not heard this discussed
on the list and wanted to insert it as a point to consider.


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Subject: Re[2]: male terrorism against females
Author: <> at Internet-Mail
Date: 3/26/98 5:40 PM

Marty--We must not ignore the possibility that the boys knew the school
schedule, knew the fire drill routine, and knew who would be exiting that
particular door.

"Karen M. K. Stanley" <>

> Just a note of information I do not see on many discussions of the
> ARkansas tragedy. In discussing the situation with three students from
> the school on the Today Show this morning, one male student said that
> the boys were in gym and music and exited the school by another door.
> There were no boys to be hit among the students who were shot at
> because they weren't in the rooms that exited to that side of the
> school.
> Let's be very careful about the assumptions we make until we check out
> the facts. I'm certain the young men were angry at girls, but that's
> not the reason only females were hit.
> Marty Henry <>
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>Subject: Re: male terrorism against females
>Author: <> at Internet-Mail
>Date: 3/25/98 3:41 PM
>Actually, bashing girls does help enforce oppression, intimidation, and
>the entire system of male privilege. Witness the massacres of female
>students in Montreal, Kenya, and now in Arkansas. It is not male bashing
>to object angrily and in strong language to this kind of
>terrorism--which goes on daily in the schools over a wide spectrum of
>intensity. Yes, terrorism against women benefits all men. There is no
>equivalent form of bashing by women anywhere. the cry of male bashing is
>used (1) in ignorance of sociological and historical evidence, and (2)
>deliberately as a way to suppress women and women's rights activists.
>Linda Purrington Title IX Advocates <>
>andrea marcus wrote:
>> Pointing out that things are more difficult for girls does not provide proof
>> that boys have an easy time of it either.
>> Both boys and girls in this culture could use a little support and
>> acceptance of who they are. Bashing one has never benefitted the other.
>> At 11:02 AM 3/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> >When I roused up about Title IX, one teacher
>> >remarked that he was said boys had to give up so much of their humanity
>> >to become men; this was one reply. thought you might be
>> >interested--Linda:
>> >
>> >"--- writes that he looks to the day that teaching will release
>> >boys from boy stereotypes so that " 'becoming a man' will no longer
>> >requires that we set aside so much of our humanity".
>> >
>> >---, becoming a man does not require you set aside your humanity. It
>> >heaps reward and profit on boys for setting aside their humanity, a
>> >reward and profit that boys and men can CHOOSE to give up any time they
>> >want.
>> >
>> >Boys graduating from high school right away make more money than girls
>> >graduating from college.. Boys can give up this money any time they
>> >want. Girls, however, are not free to take this collosal money
>> >difference from the boys.
>> >
>> >Teenage boys do an average of three hours work around the home every
>> >week. Their teenage sisters do an average of ten hours work around the
>> >home every week. Boys are completely free to increase their hours of
>> >work any time they want. Girls are not free to abdicate their chores.
>> >
>> >It is outrageous to say that boys are REQUIRED to take more than their
>> >share of the playground, hog the computors, rape girls, make more money
>> >than girls, have later curfew, do hugely less hours of housework than
>> >girls and use or condone violence to keep this grossly unequal system in
>> >place. Boys (and men) are FREE to give up these activities any time they
>> >want. But they don't want to because these activities give them so much
>> >reward and profit and power.
>> >
>> >Girls are not free to take back the playground and computors from boys
>> >who bully, they can't stop the nearly million rapes of girls every
>> >year, nor are they free to take their share of the money back, nor to
>> >stop the exploitation of their labor in the home, nor extend their
>> >curfew to equal the boys, nor stop the violence of boys.
>> >
>> >---is also frustrated because there isn't much in the research on
>> >the raising of boys!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >Does --- choose to ignore the entire canon of human history, of
>> >psychology, of pedagogy? All of which is based on the study of boys. And
>> >now in the smallest sliver of recent time we have a few dozen books on
>> >girls and --- and so many other "nontraditional males"
>> >take their outsized share of free time in the world and their hugely
>> >outsized share of media access and they cry victim.
>> >
>Marie de Santis
>> >
>> >

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