Re: H. Furbrow

vera klinkowsky (
Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:52:39 PDT

> While sex discrimination is no longer routinely accepted in
> and has been prohibited since Title IX became law, the incidences
> sexual harassment and assault that are continually reported show
> freedom from threats to learning still has not been achieved for
> and women.

I have personally researched this area. Many of the complaints are of
childish manor. Today, women can file complaints if a man even a peer
student looks at her too long, makes a sexual joke out of humor not of
harassment, says she looks pretty today, and a professor/ teaching
assistant/etc. displays a picture of their wife in a swimsuit in their
office. There has even been an incident where a profesor was required
to remove a picture of his wife in a swimsuit from his office because
the picture made his office "hostile" for women. However, there are
actual case of sexual harassment. As for sexual assault, yes the
problems exists but at the same time women continue to be the majority
of college students. I would be believe there is a sexual assault and
discrimination against women "crisis" on campuses only if there was
proof women are running away from college campuses in large numbers.
Please read Christina Hoff Sommers' book, Who Stole Feminism, How Women
Have Betrayed Women to understand the other side of this issue.

Other conditions that inhibit equal opportunity in
> education, which also impact the workplace, remain:
> 1. Although women earn half of all college degreees, they are less
> likely than men to earn bachelor's degrees in computer science,
> engineering, physical sciences, or math. At higher levels of
> education, they account for only 17% of doctoral degrees in math
> physical science, 14% of doctoral degrees in computer science, and
> of doctoral degrees in engineering.

What is the point of saying this? Just because women aren't 50% of
every study area in colleges and universities doesn't mean women will
never become equal. Women should choose whatever field they like and
don't need to brainwashed that they must be 50% so we can have equality.

This gap becomes even more
> significant in the labor market where salaries are among the
> in math/computer science and engineering--fields in which women
> underrepresented. Without more equity in these fields, women will
> remain at the low end of positions and the pay scale in the
> information age.

Some women don't want the higher up positions in the first place. I am
not looking forward to owner a major chain of newspapers because family
will be just as important to be as work. Life is not only about work,
work, work. Men are suffering today because they have been raised on
this thesis. Please look at Women's Figures:
The Economic Progress of Women in America by Furchtgott-Roth and Stolba
and see that this study shows some women prefer not to take higher up
positions for personal reasons.

Let me add that this last statement is true whether
> or not it is true that, as H. Furbrow says, women "want" to be
> secretaries and other low-paying jobs and not go in to these
> paying professional fields. This opinion of women's desires is
> irrelevant to the "truth" of the marketplace and the opportunities
> them in it.

How is it irrelevant? Do I as a woman have a right to choose lower
paying jobs because I want to? Or am I forced to take higher up
positions because the women's movement tells me if I do take that lower
position job, that I am part of problem?

> 2. In U.S. high schools, there are still about 24,000 more boys'
> varsity teams than girls' teams; in college,

Do you have proof this is because of discrimination? Many women like me
who were involved in sports before college see no point in particpating
in college athletics when you can't be an athlete all your life and
there aren't many professional women's teams.

>women receive only
> one-third of all athletic scholarships; and between 1992 and 1997
> overall operating expenditures for women's college sports programs
> grew only 89%, compared to 139% for men, representing only 23% of
> total operating expenses.

Of course women get 1/3 of scholarships. There aren't even numbers of
men and women playing sports. Also some sports like football need to
large scholarships to attract the best players.

Do you have any proof that women's sports are as equally expensive
overall than men's? It would be stupid to give equal amounts of money
to a college football and tennis team.

> 3. Even though women make up half of the labor market, not only
> tney underrepresented in jobs in scientific fields, but they are
> paid less than men for the same jobs. In 1993, only 18% of
> recent female science and engineering graduates worked in scinece
> engineering occupations, compared to 35% of their male
> In the sameyear, women who had majored in the natural sciences
> 15% less than men who majored in the same field.

Did this study consider the prestige of college attended, work
experience, and other knowledge like foreign languages?

> 4. Despite women's larege gains toward equal educational
> and their accompanying gains in labor force participation, their
> earnings are only 80% of the earnings of their male counterparts
> the same education--$26,000 vs. $32,000, respectively, for
> of 4-year colleges in 1993.

Are you telling me that the average woman makes $26,000 and man makes
$32,000 after graduation? Is this for EVERY field of study? It's
common knowledge you can't compare wages just by stating the people
surveyed attended college. You must consider work experience, and other
knowledge like foreign languages.

Vera Klinkowsky
Lies & Deceptions of Gender Feminists- The Truth Behind The Women's

"No feminist whose concern for women stems from a concern for justice in
general can ever legitimately allow her only interest to be the
advantage of women," Janet Radcliffe Richards, The Sceptical Feminist,
p. 31.

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