Re: [EDEQUITY] Funding needs/priorities (Past Dialogue on Funding)

From: Amber Valeris DeWine (
Date: Tue Nov 21 2000 - 10:36:03 EST

  Thank you for responding to this post! I think for the first time I
agree with the majority of your post! :)

  I was trying to help the list members understand why I am asking for
numbers of male-only and female-only scholarships offered, but am AGAINST
investigating numbers of male and female athletes.

  With regard to your comment about "largely unsubstantiated" claims of
destruction of male athletic teams. I can provide you a list if you like;
what more substantiation do you want?

As far as scholarships available for men, that option is obviously
available to private sector organizations who recognize the need to
increase the OPPORTUNITIES for young men. This is clearly not a legal

   You're absolutely correct here. I'm not in law school yet; I'm an
undergrad majoring in social justice, meaning that my comments were
directed toward the ETHICS and the justice of offering scholarships for
women only.

  My "guess" is that upon close examination there are far more scholarships
not promoted as "male only" that have and continue to be awarded to men.
To some extent that phenomena reflects the "invisible" advantages enjoyed
by dominant groups.

  This would not be practical on the Internet, but I often wish that when I
discuss gender issues with others, I had a stopwatch to measure the amount
of time between the time I point out discrimination against men and the
time someone else makes an excuse.

  Your claim in this last paragraph is vacuous because both women and men
have the OPPORTUNITY to compete for those scholarships. If they are
awarded to men, or if they are awarded to women, is the decision of the
selecting panel or whatever. If there is a case of discrimination in the
selection, it must be PROVEN, not just assumed, and decided on a
case-by-case basis.

  You're comparing, to use your phrase, apples to oranges. You are making
an excuse for discriminating against men because you assume, sans proof or
any investigative process, that nondiscriminatory scholarships are
disproportionately awarded to men.

  Why do you feel it is okay to make excuses, and look for any excuse you
can find, when the case is discrimination against men, but when the issue
is one of discrimination against women, you will accept not one excuse and,
as my granny says, will "brook no nonsense." You can't have it both ways
doctor...which way do you want it? Excuses for discrimination are either
acceptable or unacceptable. Which is it? Thank you for your answer!

Amber V. DeWine

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